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What past American leaders said about trde unions…


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9 responses to “What past American leaders said about trde unions…

  1. Yes fine until the unions become corrupt and unreasonably greedy and destroy the companies that supply the jobs.

  2. Unlike the companies of course who are not at all unreasonably greedy (Bankers) or corrupt (Enron) and are only driven by a desire to create jobs for American workers (GM). I mean have you seen Flint & Detroit! Post-industrial wastelands created by exporting jobs to the poor in the third world who will work for a fraction of what American workers could live on. So yes you might be right if you regard a living wage, job security and a say in your own future are being unreasonably greedy!

  3. Yes, Detroit and Flint were trashed but it was because the unions were overly greedy and forced the the employers to export work overseas to avoid being put out of business by the excessive labor costs.

    • Don’t be ridiculous. Workers in the third world will work for a few dollars a day and can live on it. No one in the USA could live on anything like third world money. Trade unions had little to do with the flight of capital into the third world. What happened was neoliberalism and global capitalism broke the bond between capital and nation states and companies simply moved to where the labour was cheapest. Entirely rational if you own the company but it means the only way for US labour to ‘compete’ on price would be to work full-time for practically nothing and starve.

      Unions, like all human institutions, sometimes become corrupt and dominated by dictatorial individuals but the ethical record of trade unions is far better than most organisations and certainly better than business!

  4. Don’t get me wrong; I’m not totally anti-union. The original formation of the unions during the industrial revolution of the 19th century was a logical and appropriate response to the unfair treatment of workers by the gluttonous industrialists. However, as happens with many good ideas, some SOB’s had to spoil a good thing and so the unions were often hosed by unscrupulous racketeers. In my opinion the decline of the American car industry was not all the blame of the unions. It was probably largely the fault of the knucklehead designers and engineers who turned-out some real lemons. American car companies were by-and-large not concerned with quality, durability, and reliability. They wanted cars to start falling apart after about 2 years so that they could sell some more clunkers. But the Germans, Japanese, and Swedes kicked some ass with their dedication to reliability and quality. I am afraid to buy American cars because of their bad track record. Volvo has been our family favorite for many years. The American car companies did themselves in and I don’t have much sympathy for them. The union workers were forced to build badly-designed cars.

  5. By “indeed” I assume you mean “hear hear,” ya you right, right-on, damn straight, I couldn’t have said it better myself, awesome dude, you da man, etc. etc.?

  6. Excellent response. That is exactly what I would have said. Isn’t it amazing how brilliant minds think alike.

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